<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-519424503777525095</id><updated>2011-11-01T22:34:09.202Z</updated><category term='rob hopkins'/><category term='transition towns'/><category term='peak oil'/><category term='collapse'/><category term='transition'/><category term='energy descent'/><title type='text'>energyarks blog</title><subtitle type='html'>A blog relating to groups of people organising realistic options for a future dominated by declining of energy supply</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/519424503777525095/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Robin P Clarke</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>14</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-519424503777525095.post-3169910006742704861</id><published>2009-11-16T22:48:00.003Z</published><updated>2010-01-20T15:08:56.211Z</updated><title type='text'>Intro for those new here</title><content type='html'>This blog is about practical responses to what is commonly called Peak Oil, or as I prefer to call it, the crisis of decreasing energy supply. That is what is the real cause of the global "recession", which is not going to be followed by any recovery until such time as the skills of using ox-driven ploughs and anvil-bashing and so-on start growing again. There are some very good introductory articles on the web, such as some by Gail the Actuary on &lt;a href="http://www.theoildrum.com/"&gt;www.theoildrum.com&lt;/a&gt; and also the crashcourse of Chris Martenson.  You'll then have an idea of where this site is coming from.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;Please note that the correct order to proceed through things here is the chronological as shown on the right, rather than the standard blog ordering in which you end up starting with the latest, as if you ever thought it wise to read a book from last chapter forward to first.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, this is only the blog (of energyark). The energyarks project is not a blog, but rather is about groups of people meeting together in real world localities and doing real things in the real world. And by its nature it is not in the business of transparently exhibiting all its activities in the cyber-goldfish-bowl of a website. If you want to be genuinely involved, or even just more informed of what's happening, you have to contact us via the email address or phone number in the upper right here. Looking forward to hearing from you!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/519424503777525095-3169910006742704861?l=energyark.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/feeds/3169910006742704861/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/2009/11/this-blog-is-about-practical-responses.html#comment-form' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/519424503777525095/posts/default/3169910006742704861'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/519424503777525095/posts/default/3169910006742704861'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/2009/11/this-blog-is-about-practical-responses.html' title='Intro for those new here'/><author><name>Robin P Clarke</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-519424503777525095.post-2160688383802587706</id><published>2009-08-18T13:34:00.005+01:00</published><updated>2009-09-25T10:21:08.695+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Lawrence Gonzales - 12 Rules of Survival</title><content type='html'>.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.lifechallenges.org/door/survival.html"&gt;Link to a fine article based on the experiences of people who survived considerably-threatening adversities.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hard to find anything I disagree with in it.  Gives a good idea of some aspects of what I mean by being a "hard"[/"strong"--see comments] person (which is nothing to do with being nasty or selfish).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There seems to be a hidden (unstated) message.  Namely that on boarding a plane you might get a lot more than you bargained for.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/519424503777525095-2160688383802587706?l=energyark.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/feeds/2160688383802587706/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/2009/08/lawrence-gonzales-12-rules-of-survival.html#comment-form' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/519424503777525095/posts/default/2160688383802587706'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/519424503777525095/posts/default/2160688383802587706'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/2009/08/lawrence-gonzales-12-rules-of-survival.html' title='Lawrence Gonzales - 12 Rules of Survival'/><author><name>Robin P Clarke</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-519424503777525095.post-5254364516234400977</id><published>2009-07-27T10:27:00.010+01:00</published><updated>2009-08-03T23:17:47.251+01:00</updated><title type='text'>The supposed benefits of grieving -- just another form of denial</title><content type='html'>Carolyn Baker and others (such as Rob Hopkins) reckon that a crucial point is that transition needs to concern itself with not just the hand and the head but also with the heart.  &lt;a href="http://carolynbaker.net/site/content/view/1209/1/"&gt;In a recent article she reveals(?)&lt;/a&gt; that grieving is (supposedly) a necessary, beneficial, part of adaption to traumatic change.  (PS: In her pages you always have to scroll down past the introductory blurb to get to the article.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Unlike these nice, pleasant, successful people, I don't just write and theorise about coping with extreme adversity.  I have survived many years of adversity such as would have wiped out these others several times over.  In the real world, not all problems have solutions.  Not all victims of injustice come out as survivors.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Consider for instance my situation in recent years.  I had at last discovered the cause of my chronic invalidity, as due to the dental mercury poisoning by the NHS which still &lt;a href="http://www.mercurymadness.org/viewdata.aspx?sectionid=1&amp;amp;dataid=124"&gt;pretends that no such illness exists&lt;/a&gt;, and I do not have the ~£10,000 to remove this mercury from my teeth.  Due to decades of chronic fatigue I had few friends to speak of and none close and nearby to lean on.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then in 2005 &lt;a href="http://www.2020housing.co.uk/"&gt;I was plunged into a horrendous harassment crisis&lt;/a&gt;. I found myself sharing my house with a violent deceitful lifestyle alcoholic lifestyle criminal in the adjacent flat.  Plus all the like alco-criminals drawn magnet-like from all around.  Simultaneously with being threatened on the violence front, I was also threatened by the housing "cooperative" continuing with conspiring and attacking me on a more institutional front.  I struggled to write the reports on their criminality and thereafter the book linked on that website.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then they started their corrupt legal action for my eviction.  Then in 2007 the evil liar judges Truman, MacDuff and McKenna told a huge pile of lies with the result that I was suddenly forced out of my home of 17 years, just about immediately.  Even though I had nowhere to go.  As it happened, Mohammed my neighbour of 15 years had a barely inhabitable hovel nearly unoccupied at the time, which I was able to move some of my things to.  Else I doubt I'd be alive and writing this now.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let's look at the situation when that falsely-granted eviction was enforced.  I had been working flat out for the past 50 months to try to challenge the institutional abuses, while also trying to manage relations with the criminals making an uninhibited reign of terror in my house.  I really was looking forward to defeating the legal case and then at last having a bit of a rest.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But instead I had to immediately continue even faster.  I had to sort out and try to remove the tons of my possessions such as this computer I'm typing on now.  I was soon physically clapped out by the impossible overwork involved.  I had to walk long distances to and from the new address.  Many times I was close to collapsing with exhaustion in the street.  I had to do a huge amount of thinking and difficult deciding of what to do about the numerous problems that had arisen.  I no longer had a phone or internet or knew my local area, or where most of my things had ended up or not.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In this context there was no shortage of things to get incandescently angry about.  Such as a supposed justice system that assaults the victim and gives victory to callous evil criminals.    No shortage of things to grieve about.  But did the nice judges say I could really do with a week or two to grieve about anything?  No.  Just in their deceitful pretence, the law (supposedly) could not give any extra time before the corruptly-granted eviction must take place.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I just had to get on with doing and deciding.  Similarly, consider the situation of these survivors of Stalingrad, living in a hole in the ground.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FTP57TF5WOA/Sm16E7pOrVI/AAAAAAAAAJI/8TYf0BjJ71E/s1600-h/%21russian_inflexible_will_living_in_dug_out.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 259px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FTP57TF5WOA/Sm16E7pOrVI/AAAAAAAAAJI/8TYf0BjJ71E/s400/%21russian_inflexible_will_living_in_dug_out.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5363076956416814418" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Don't you think they could do with a year or two of grieving over the numerous friends and associates they have lost?  And the disappearance of the whole world they have lived in all these years?  But instead, they just have to get on with things.  Likewise the millions of soldiers caught up in the conflict, constantly experiencing the unpleasant deaths of their team-mates, and yet having to just get on with things.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The composer Felix Mendelssohn died within months of the death of his sister.  In the intervening he wrote his absolutely uncharacteristically harsh F# minor quartet.  It's clear he died of a broken heart.&lt;br /&gt;And not long after the Tay bridge collapsed while a train was passing over it, the designer of the bridge died, and again it seems clear that he also died of a sort of grief or shame.  Queen Victoria, after the death of her husband, wore mourning black for the rest of her life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am not here saying that these grief-engulfed persons were unworthy or second rate.  I am saying that there are some people we may not be able to help, who may not be able to be part of the future.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I question whether there is any evidence that grieving improves anything.  Rather what is needed is &lt;u&gt;coming to terms with&lt;/u&gt; that which we cannot change.  Some people are better at this than others.  Different people have different strengths and weaknesses.  Some inflexibly carry on as if nothing has changed (low Neuroticism), some just crack up and fail that way instead (high Neuroticism), others become insane (high Psychoticism).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In my experience, emotions are only rarely useful.  They are a primitive system serving as a failsafe for when more sophisticated thinking and theorising are short of useful ideas of what to do.  The proper thing to do is to be in control of one's emotions and to set out on the work of rational analysis of one's predicament.  And where necessary coming to terms, with resignation to that which cannot be changed anyway.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To a great extent, a person's response to adverse changes can be improved by skilled use of nutrition and other techniques.  I believe that my own expertise in this has been crucial for enabling me to survive so far.  If you are interested in further information or discussion on this and or other matters, send full contact details and personal information to my email address.  That's r [at] energyark[dot]net&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/519424503777525095-5254364516234400977?l=energyark.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/feeds/5254364516234400977/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/2009/07/supposed-benefits-of-grieving-just.html#comment-form' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/519424503777525095/posts/default/5254364516234400977'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/519424503777525095/posts/default/5254364516234400977'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/2009/07/supposed-benefits-of-grieving-just.html' title='The supposed benefits of grieving -- just another form of denial'/><author><name>Robin P Clarke</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FTP57TF5WOA/Sm16E7pOrVI/AAAAAAAAAJI/8TYf0BjJ71E/s72-c/%21russian_inflexible_will_living_in_dug_out.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-519424503777525095.post-666644580123539493</id><published>2009-07-21T20:18:00.008+01:00</published><updated>2009-07-21T20:46:15.050+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Getting people onboard</title><content type='html'>Amazing how so many people involved in campaigning never get round to any evidential research on what campaigning methods work.  My experience is that "lecturing" others rarely achieves anything.  Much more powerful is asking people what they think, and by cunning use of questions, guiding their thought towards more enlightened directions.  They may even teach yourself something instead.  Also this method implicitly trains the audience by example in the concept of critical, questioning, thinking.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is a sequence of questions I've put together myself.  It's only a rough first draft, and I've not had time to actually try it out.  (Ok, I just happen to be very shy too.)  I invite readers to try out such a sequence of questions on suitable "victims" and report back here what results they get.  The idea is to conclude the discourse with the victim enthusiastically taking a copy of the leaflet I put on the &lt;a href="http://www.energyark.net/"&gt;www.energyark.net website&lt;/a&gt;.[not there yet actually]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;!--[if gte mso 9]&gt;&lt;xml&gt;  &lt;w:worddocument&gt;   &lt;w:view&gt;Normal&lt;/w:View&gt;   &lt;w:zoom&gt;0&lt;/w:Zoom&gt;   &lt;w:donotoptimizeforbrowser/&gt;  &lt;/w:WordDocument&gt; &lt;/xml&gt;&lt;![endif]--&gt;&lt;style&gt; &lt;!--  /* Font Definitions */ @font-face  {font-family:"Palatino Linotype";  panose-1:2 4 5 2 5 5 5 3 3 4;  mso-font-charset:0;  mso-generic-font-family:roman;  mso-font-pitch:variable;  mso-font-signature:-536870009 1073741843 0 0 415 0;} @font-face  {font-family:"New Century Schlbk";  panose-1:2 0 6 3 7 0 0 2 0 3;  mso-font-charset:0;  mso-generic-font-family:auto;  mso-font-pitch:variable;  mso-font-signature:-2147483481 64 0 0 1 0;}  /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal  {mso-style-parent:""; 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&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoHeader" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Perhaps it’s a question you haven’t wondered about much?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoHeader" style=""&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;So if you are envisaging to be alive in five years time, would you agree that it might be a good idea to join up with some people who have a clue what’s going on in the world?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Would you say that politicians tend to decide things for the long-term, at the expense of the short-term, putting their re-election chances at risk?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Or do you think they tend to decide things for best in the short term, to win the next election and so on, at the expense of the long-term?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;If politicians go on choosing the short-term options for years and years and years, and ignoring the long-term needs for years and years and years, would you agree that then the long-term problems will someday build up rather disastrously? &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Would you reckon that politicians tell you honestly what is going on?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Or might they just tell you what is most convenient for winning their elections?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Would you say that media journalists tell you honestly what is going on?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Or might they just tell you the things that sell more tv and papers and so on?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Update!: see factual proof at:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/jeremy_clarkson/article5336247.ece"&gt;http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/jeremy_clarkson/article5336247.ece&lt;/a&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/jeremy_clarkson/article5292547.ece"&gt;http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/jeremy_clarkson/article5292547.ece&lt;/a&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;" &gt;&lt;a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7766057.stm"&gt;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7766057.stm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;So where are you currently getting your information about what is going on?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;How do you know how true it is?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Would you agree that it would be best to find some people who actually know what is going on and are willing to tell you?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Do you like to live recklessly?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;For instance would you go around dodgy areas at night, or gamble most of your money on one bet, or would you leave your house unlocked, do you have insurance?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 153, 153);"&gt;If politicians knew some really bad news, do you think they would tell you about it honestly?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 153, 153);"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 153, 153);"&gt;If media journalists found out some really bad news, do you think they would tell you?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Well, can you imagine that in a few years time you might think back to this moment and remember how I started asking you these questions, and imagine yourself thinking “if only I had listened to what he said”.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Or perhaps instead you will be thinking back and remembering this day and thinking “thank god I had such a great stroke of luck there”.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;PS:  Also I have got an A5 presentation thingy with 20 leafs, in which to put oil-supply graphs and other documents relevant to one's presentation.  This makes one's spiel seem less of a personal expertise bragging operation and more like an authoritative competent 'professional' operation.  (And also it's easier!)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/519424503777525095-666644580123539493?l=energyark.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/feeds/666644580123539493/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/2009/07/getting-people-involved.html#comment-form' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/519424503777525095/posts/default/666644580123539493'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/519424503777525095/posts/default/666644580123539493'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/2009/07/getting-people-involved.html' title='Getting people onboard'/><author><name>Robin P Clarke</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-519424503777525095.post-3729343410647803756</id><published>2009-07-12T15:57:00.007+01:00</published><updated>2009-07-12T16:20:05.733+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on "Could Cities Be Safer Than Suburbs?"</title><content type='html'>My comments on "Could Cities Be Safer Than Suburbs?"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.oftwominds.com/blogmar09/cities03-09.html"&gt;http://www.oftwominds.com/blogmar09/cities03-09.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It looks to me like Charles Hugh-Smith (CHS) is there talking mostly sense, with one or two bits of fallacy.  But is talking about different sorts of events in different sorts of neighbourhood from those I am thinking of in my notion that we have to relocate from cities to rural.    Indeed I would class "suburbs" as another form of urban.  What I have in mind with the word "rural" is an area where the local supply of food, water, etc, is equal or greater than the requirements of the local population.   The crucial problem with cities, or even suburbs, is that millions of people in such an area would find themselves with far too little food between them if the grand industrialised corporatised supply-system ever became seized up for more than a few days.  And in the slightly-less short-term, the grand system is almost certain to grind to a halt in a scenario of enforced energy-descent, before adequate substitute arrangements can be set up (in a vast project).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And it is such a critical crisis of the life-support system that I am weighing the relative prospects for, rather than some mere gradual impoverishment/abandonment scenario that CHS is thinking of.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If a city is as dense as CHS envisages such as to have "eyes on the street", then it could be far too dense from the local supply perspective (depending on size and location).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Meanwhile, I am far from persuaded by the concepts about restraints on crime.  In the UK, insurance premiums are much higher in urban areas than in rural ones, reflecting the well-known much higher crime and risk of being attacked that exists in urban areas.  As for the "eyes on the street" factor, there has been quite a lot of research on the phenomenon of "bystander apathy".  This was inspired by one observation of a brutal murder carried out with hundreds of onlookers who did nothing to intervene, did not even call police.  My own experience is of being repeatedly attacked in busy urban settings and never in rural, even though I have lived equally long in both.  I even witnessed a horrendous attack right in the very most central part of this city, with a crowd of onlookers doing nothing to intervene.  As for police response times, quite what are you smoking?, the police famously always come too late and are well-known to have negligible impact on street crime, burglaries etc.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In conclusion, there are two key problems with urban areas.  Firstly they contain far more people than the locality can keep locally supplied in the event that the industrialised supply-system ever fails (which it almost certainly will within a decade or two if not year or two).  And secondly they put a citizen within reach of far too many strangers with easy access to commit crimes and rapidly escape to who-knows-where immediately afterwards.  As further elaborated in my 1995-1998 paper &lt;a href="http://www.energyark.net/urbna.htm"&gt;www.energyark.net/urbna.htm&lt;/a&gt; .&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/519424503777525095-3729343410647803756?l=energyark.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/feeds/3729343410647803756/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/2009/07/comments-on-could-cities-be-safer-than.html#comment-form' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/519424503777525095/posts/default/3729343410647803756'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/519424503777525095/posts/default/3729343410647803756'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/2009/07/comments-on-could-cities-be-safer-than.html' title='Comments on &quot;Could Cities Be Safer Than Suburbs?&quot;'/><author><name>Robin P Clarke</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-519424503777525095.post-3717648109647552904</id><published>2009-07-12T00:05:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2009-09-25T10:24:01.431+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Intro for those new here.</title><content type='html'>This blog is about practical responses to what is commonly called Peak Oil, or as I prefer to call it, the crisis of decreasing energy supply. That is what is the real cause of the global "recession", which is not going to be followed by any recovery until such time as the skills of using ox-driven ploughs and anvil-bashing and so-on start growing again. There are some very good introductory articles on the web, such as some by Gail the Actuary on &lt;a href="http://www.theoildrum.com/"&gt;www.theoildrum.com&lt;/a&gt; and also the crashcourse of Chris Martenson.  You'll then have an idea of where this site is coming from.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Please note that the correct order to proceed through things here is the chronological as shown on the right, rather than the standard blog ordering in which you end up starting with the latest, as if you ever thought it wise to read a book from last chapter forward to first.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, this only the blog of energyark. The energyarks project is not a blog, but rather is about groups of people meeting together in real world localities and doing real things in the real world. And by its nature it is not in the business of transparently exhibiting all its activities and thinking in the cyber-goldfish-bowl of a website. If you want to be more involved, or even just more informed of what's happening or being thought about, you have to contact us via the email address or phone number in the upper right here.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/519424503777525095-3717648109647552904?l=energyark.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/feeds/3717648109647552904/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/2009/06/intro-for-those-new-here.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/519424503777525095/posts/default/3717648109647552904'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/519424503777525095/posts/default/3717648109647552904'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/2009/06/intro-for-those-new-here.html' title='Intro for those new here.'/><author><name>Robin P Clarke</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-519424503777525095.post-6229553107850890046</id><published>2009-07-08T02:45:00.004+01:00</published><updated>2009-07-12T15:15:51.321+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Or maybe no need?</title><content type='html'>Meanwhile, perhaps in view of &lt;a href="http://europe.theoildrum.com/node/5538"&gt;this exceptional post about kitegen (with EROEI of 300+)&lt;/a&gt;, we won't need to "run for the hills" after all?  (I'll be studying it further over the next day or so [--see comments for my later thoughts].)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/519424503777525095-6229553107850890046?l=energyark.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/feeds/6229553107850890046/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/2009/07/or-maybe-no-need.html#comment-form' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/519424503777525095/posts/default/6229553107850890046'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/519424503777525095/posts/default/6229553107850890046'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/2009/07/or-maybe-no-need.html' title='Or maybe no need?'/><author><name>Robin P Clarke</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-519424503777525095.post-4899651562075017749</id><published>2009-07-07T12:42:00.008+01:00</published><updated>2009-07-07T20:14:18.981+01:00</updated><title type='text'>What's an EnergyArk? (v1: 7th July 2009)</title><content type='html'>Version 1-- 7th July 2009&lt;br /&gt;(This is of course a key question, of what positive solutions are being proposed and organised here.  And the answers are likely to be evolving ones. For that reason I envisage to be updating this particular post into newer versions rather than just freezing it in the first version that emerges. Besides sending replies to this post, you are welcome to email suggestions or critiques "offline" to blog[at]energyark[dot]net .)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The central idea of an energyark is that we may not be able to prevent major social and economic upheavals in an unplanned progression of energy descent.  The article on this site &lt;a href="http://energyark.blogspot.com/2009/07/will-there-be-abrupt-collapse.html"&gt;"Will there be an abrupt collapse?"&lt;/a&gt; discusses how this might come about.  There may be failures of food supply, law and order, and so on.  It may be difficult for people to survive through such circumstances let alone work on needed changes.  Especially in or near larger cities.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For this reason, it may be wise to prepare "lifeboats" or "energyarks" to relocate to.  A key idea is relocation (rather than the relocalisation being promoted by the Transition (Towns) movement).  A few people may already be resident in suitable relocation areas, but most will not.  And others have already wisely pointed out that it may be unwise to invest all one's hopes in a particular location.  One may need to be ready to adopt a travelling lifestyle, or alternatively move from one ark to another as needs dictate or suggest.  Ideally there will be a network of arks rather than just one.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A suitable location and its community should satisfy the requirements of resilience against energy descent.  Some conditions, requirements and resources would be as follows.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Sufficiently remote from large urban settlements&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Land and weather suitable for food-growing&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;A natural water supply, including sufficient for irrigation&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Not particularly vulnerable to attack but preferably in a defensible location&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;A community of people ideally in the range of 100-300&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Members who have a cooperative mentality rather than grasping or parasiting&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;A diversity of people rather than just rich or intellectual ones&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;A collection of key skills&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Hand tools&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Reserves or supplies of key products&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There already exist some projects which satisfy some or all of these criteria.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Energyark members could come from a variety of situations.  They may already be living in suitable relocation areas (in which case their support would be particularly welcome).  Or may be very unsuitably located such as in a city centre.  Or equally unsuitably in a commuter-dormitory village, devoid of far too many key local resources.  Or a farmer in a location which like that village lacks some resilence requirements despite its ruralness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(to be continued)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/519424503777525095-4899651562075017749?l=energyark.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/feeds/4899651562075017749/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/2009/07/whats-energyark-v1-7th-july-2009.html#comment-form' title='11 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/519424503777525095/posts/default/4899651562075017749'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/519424503777525095/posts/default/4899651562075017749'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/2009/07/whats-energyark-v1-7th-july-2009.html' title='What&apos;s an EnergyArk? (v1: 7th July 2009)'/><author><name>Robin P Clarke</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>11</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-519424503777525095.post-747537229953296413</id><published>2009-07-07T00:09:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2009-07-07T00:16:39.841+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Discussion on  the TransitionCulture site</title><content type='html'>No sooner had I started launching this blogsite (with my article on collapse, some time in preparation), that I was alerted to a very much related discussion on the Transition Towns'-peoples' own discussion site.  Rather than duplicate here, &lt;a href="http://transitionculture.org/2009/07/03/responding-to-sharon-astyk-on-permaculture-and-transition/"&gt;I'll just put this link to it&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Some of what they are now saying was already being said by me &lt;a href="http://transitionculture.org/2009/02/23/a-farm-for-the-future-essential-viewing/#comments"&gt;back here&lt;/a&gt; and elsewhere (surprise, surprise).&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/519424503777525095-747537229953296413?l=energyark.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/feeds/747537229953296413/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/2009/07/discussion-on-transitionculture-site.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/519424503777525095/posts/default/747537229953296413'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/519424503777525095/posts/default/747537229953296413'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/2009/07/discussion-on-transitionculture-site.html' title='Discussion on  the TransitionCulture site'/><author><name>Robin P Clarke</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-519424503777525095.post-581717460868093331</id><published>2009-07-05T21:04:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2009-07-06T11:37:13.856+01:00</updated><title type='text'>The choice between "grim" and "positive" (but hopelessly unrealistic)?</title><content type='html'>Some people (notably in the Transition Towns movement) are saying we need to give people a positive message, not too grim and frightening, or they will give up rather than be inspired to action.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don't find this concept at all persuasive.  I suggest some good analogies for the transition process may be the experiences of polar explorers and record-setting mountaineers, along with the many millions of soldiers who have entered into battles, and the many civilians who have found themselves surviving in dire straits after wars had devastated their countries.  All these groups of people have in common that they were faced with the knowledge of very real possibility that these challenges would be not merely very unpleasant and arduous but with very high probability of utter failure, ending with their deaths.  And yet they faced up to these challenges nevertheless.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I would add to this list of analogy examples one more crucial one.  That is the experiences of those obscure individuals and groups who founded civilisations.  It is in the nature of things that we tend to see the ends of civilisations relatively clearly, with names of rulers and their circumstances clearly recorded.  By contrast, the origins are relatively hidden in obscurity.  And yet&lt;a href="http://www.energyark.net/decadenc.htm"&gt; as Arnold Toynbee explained&lt;/a&gt;, there is good reason to reckon that these civilisations originated in response to severe, life-threatening adverse circumstances.  For instance the growth of the Sahara desert putting the hunter-gatherers in prospect of starvation.  They would thus have been forced to descend into the treacherous swamps of the untamed Nile valley, where they would have to cope with not only daunting huge floods but also the existing inhabitants such as crocodiles and snakes.  We can only guess at how many millions may have died rather than survived to go on to create the ancient Egyptian civilisation in that once-terrible land.  And yet such can be the way to the future of human community.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some people cannot cope with a terrible prospect of the future.  They may become suicidal, psychotic, depressed, paralysed by anxiety, obsessed with delusory false hopes, or too stressed out physically or overloaded mentally to be able to go on.   They may lack the imagination to forsee specific key problems, they may lack the judgement to see what solutions may work and which may not.  They may lack the necessary experience or training to prepare them for the tasks they must undertake for survival.  They may lack the personal qualities required for survival in a group of people who find they must selflessly cooperate or else die.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For these reasons, such persons are liable to be fore-doomed to not survive the challenges they face.   That's life.  Regardless of how kind and empathic you and I are it remains the case that That's life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If siamese twins share one heart between them, we can wish that they could have a separate heart each; we could even have a group session of envisaging them having a separate heart each, but that wishing and envisioning is not going to change the fact that they do not.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What all those grim example groups abovementioned have in common is that they went forward with no illusions that they were going to go down a safely predictable or comfortable pathway into the future.  In many cases they even chose to enter into such challenges.  And note that none of those survivor groups had any emotional therapy workshops or treatments, before, during or after their ordeals.  That's life.    Here to illustrate this principle is a photo of a homeless family of three living in the freezing ruins of Stalingrad in a hole in the ground with the desolation all around.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FTP57TF5WOA/SlEfmiwwKtI/AAAAAAAAAIA/aIrcbduH4I4/s1600-h/%21russian_inflexible_will_living_in_dug_out.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 259px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FTP57TF5WOA/SlEfmiwwKtI/AAAAAAAAAIA/aIrcbduH4I4/s400/%21russian_inflexible_will_living_in_dug_out.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5355096178947009234" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FTP57TF5WOA/SlHTSXJGGtI/AAAAAAAAAII/on9HjwEHUqs/s1600-h/stalingrad.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 299px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FTP57TF5WOA/SlHTSXJGGtI/AAAAAAAAAII/on9HjwEHUqs/s400/stalingrad.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5355293744323500754" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;And the elegant city they had lived in.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/519424503777525095-581717460868093331?l=energyark.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/feeds/581717460868093331/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/2009/07/choice-between-grim-and-positive-but.html#comment-form' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/519424503777525095/posts/default/581717460868093331'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/519424503777525095/posts/default/581717460868093331'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/2009/07/choice-between-grim-and-positive-but.html' title='The choice between &quot;grim&quot; and &quot;positive&quot; (but hopelessly unrealistic)?'/><author><name>Robin P Clarke</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FTP57TF5WOA/SlEfmiwwKtI/AAAAAAAAAIA/aIrcbduH4I4/s72-c/%21russian_inflexible_will_living_in_dug_out.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-519424503777525095.post-8109288109460647541</id><published>2009-07-05T18:28:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2009-07-05T23:28:00.177+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='transition'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rob hopkins'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='transition towns'/><title type='text'>Comments on Rob Hopkins article</title><content type='html'>This is a reply to Rob Hopkins article: &lt;a href="http://www.energybulletin.net/node/49451"&gt;http://www.energybulletin.net/node/49451&lt;/a&gt; , original with comments at &lt;a href="http://transitionculture.org/2009/07/03/responding-to-sharon-astyk-on-permaculture-and-transition/"&gt;http://transitionculture.org/2009/07/03/responding-to-sharon-astyk-on-permaculture-and-transition/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some most interesting thoughts from Rob here, much wisdom, but also some not-so-wisdom.&lt;br /&gt;I come from a position of finding some fundamental flaws in the TT concept, which aren't addressed above. My article (below here) makes a start at presenting some of them.  To that I'll add the following extra thoughts evoked by the above.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Firstly, I'm inclined to invent a new phrase parallel to "Political Correctness".  Perhaps this phrase should be "Transitional Correctness", though I should make clear there's no insult or fascistic imputation intended against Rob who certainly isn't of an intolerant or domineering mindset.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I should make clear that this transitional correctness is not confined to TTers, and not necessarily all TTers will endorse it, as TT is not some exclusive centrally-enforced dogma anyway.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The key taboo of Transitional Correctness is the ruling out of the idea that the transition is going to be so difficult that many, or indeed, most people are not going to survive to see it through.  Also the idea that "the community" is not going to pull together but instead is going to tear apart.  It's difficult to take seriously an Energy Descent Action Plan if like myself one has negligible confidence in those implied articles of faith.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So reading Rob's latest from my "transitionally-INcorrect" perspective, here goes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Good to see Rob's very wise points about needing for testing/validation in permaculture with which I fully agree (with relief that I won't need to work at persuading him myself anymore).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for getting accepted into the mainstream, that's seriously unhinged I'm afraid.  Does anyone remember when the mainstream was called Naziism, with the collective genius of the community concurring in a project of showing their superiority over the 'subhuman' Slavs to the east?  It is seriously doubtful whether the mainstream is that vastly more sensible nowadays.  The mainstream suffers not merely from Transitional Correctness, but for the most part a more serious ailment we could call Transitional Denial.  They're still trying to build larger airports and cities, for hell's sake.  Getting accepted into the company of doomed dinosaurs is not my idea of worthwhile progress.  They only accept you as much as they do because you tell the transitionally-correct nice story of how it can be fantasised to work out without saying anything politically-unacceptable (i.e. in violation of TC).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Only show in town.  Not true.  There are others who are pursuing the relocation strategy which I myself endorse at my &lt;a href="http://www.energyark.net"&gt;www.energyark.net&lt;/a&gt; just starting up. Not T-C of course, but that's life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"If we think that we are going to weather the Long Emergency without any form of supporting each other emotionally, without any kind of ability to share the distress it is causing, if we think that the work of the next 10-20 years will be purely external, we are deluding ourselves."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But many people &lt;u&gt;aren't&lt;/u&gt; going to weather it, full stop.  They are going to be rushed off their feet with far too much physical work, far too much learning and re-skilling, too many practical problems to be solved all at once, too little preparation.  They aren't going to have time or mental space for the luxury of inner work.  Only the "hard" people are going to pull through, sadly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Huge horrible things do happen in history.  Stalingrad is just one example. Preparing for the reality is the best we can do.  We can't help everyone so there's little point in trying.  I myself have given up as lost causes my mother and four brothers, my whole family.  That's life.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/519424503777525095-8109288109460647541?l=energyark.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/feeds/8109288109460647541/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/2009/07/comments-on-rob-hopkins-article.html#comment-form' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/519424503777525095/posts/default/8109288109460647541'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/519424503777525095/posts/default/8109288109460647541'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/2009/07/comments-on-rob-hopkins-article.html' title='Comments on Rob Hopkins article'/><author><name>Robin P Clarke</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-519424503777525095.post-5572070600104929454</id><published>2009-07-05T15:21:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2009-07-05T23:22:38.225+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='transition'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rob hopkins'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='transition towns'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='peak oil'/><title type='text'>Some problems with the Transition Towns approach</title><content type='html'>It's always much better to present positive solutions than to only present critiques of others' positive projects.  It certainly always attracts much more praise.   And yet a "positive" project may be unsound and thereby tragically divert time and energy and attention away from sounder proposals.&lt;br /&gt;Arguably, "poking holes" in what others are trying to do can be just as much a valid and useful contribution as the projects that are being challenged thereby.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In recent months I have noticed some interesting thoughts from the Transition movement founder Rob Hopkins, seeing possible problems with his original concept.  Not clear whether he has been learning from actual experience of turning ideas into actions, or whether he has been moved by my own challenging words.  But either way it is commendable to encounter someone who can move his viewpoints rather than stick to entrenched assumptions as so many do.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;The TTers have (had) some mistaken assumptions about how the energy decrease is likely to proceed.  And what effects it will have. Indeed Rob Hopkins himself recently discussed his concerns about whether  his Energy Descent Action Plans would avoid being overtaken by events proceeding much faster than they envisaged (in an interview with Richard Heinberg on the web).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are a number of serious faults in the ideas of the TT movement.  In an ideal world  a reasonable person would embrace their commitment to a principle of inclusiveness, aspiring to involve all residents of an area in the transition process.  But, with much regret,  it has to be said that, &lt;i&gt;however much we would prefer otherwise,&lt;/i&gt; such inclusiveness &lt;i&gt;is not going to&lt;/i&gt; happen.   Indeed in my own involvement with a TT steering group, the very first thing raised was this theme of inclusiveness,  with the accompanying interpretation that it would mean that BNP members (or their views)  were not to be permitted in the movement.  So already the concept was proving logically in contradiction of itself.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Please note however that this does not mean that the energyark project wishes to seek to exclude certain groups, or be racist or classist or so on. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Merely surviving in the coming decades is going to be challenging.   Dramatically interesting choices can be expected to lie ahead, very much like those that faced the whalers shipwrecked in mid-Pacific who only survived by eating their companions.  There are, very tragically, quite a number of people who are simply not going to be able to cope with the future, most particularly in terms of psychological adaption.   Such persons will be found in all races, classes and religions, but the problem is the same--that  it will be impossible for a struggling community to cope itself while supporting such unfortunates in the manner  that a flourishing wealthy advanced civilisational system has been able to recently. &lt;/p&gt; Mind you, the above does not contradict the truth that future communities are going to need and want many different sorts of people.  We will want great artists and entertainers as well as those who can show us the boring details of how to get food, or help us with that donkey work (though preferably not as slaves). We will not want to be too judgemental about who is worthy or not.   Even I myself am mentally disabled but would hope  some merit might be found for considering me useful enough to compensate!   Doomed unsuitable individuals will largely deselect themselves by failing to recognise there is a need to get into our sort of project in the first place.&lt;p&gt;And certainly we want something broader than a community of only intellectuals or latte activists.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Particularly misguided is the TTers' notion of "unleashing the collective genius of the community".    It is true that in any group of "ordinary" people there will arise some useful ideas.   And there will be some good judgement too.  But it is also the case that  well-judged innovations and solutions of key difficult  problems tend to come only from a very special minority of people, the label for which is the only correct usage of the scientific term "genius".   History is full of the great follies that can be achieved by the group-thinking of whole communities,  and the word "genius" is not appropriate in their description.   If our ancestors had relied on the "collective genius of the community",  we would all be still chewing raw bones in caves amid the rats.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; It is at times of transformation such as the present that the contribution of real geniuses becomes particularly life-critical for finding well-judged novel solutions to  novel challenges. &lt;a href="http://www.energyark.net/decadenc.htm"&gt;(More on this in the 1987 article linked here which is now very relevant to the present/future).&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;h4&gt;Re-Loca&lt;i&gt;lisa&lt;/i&gt;tion or Relocation?&lt;/h4&gt; &lt;p&gt; Another major difference of my ideas from the Transition Towns movement is  as follows.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The TTers envisage that they will stay in the same "communities" (i.e. towns, cities, villages) that they are already in, and transform them into viably resilient communnities.  This might just about be a credible objective in a small remote village of perhaps  100 to 300 clued-up people.  (Not that there are many such villages now that the UK countryside has  become largely the commuter dormitory of city execs and the like.  (Well, what a surprise that the Chief Exec of  Birmingham Airport had his home in a quiet country lane of Sambourne village rather than somewhere within easy  listening distance of the jet engines!))&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the chances of such a transformation usefully succeeding in a town or city would be remote. There would not be a  sufficient level of community cohesion and personal feeling of making a necessary difference.   There would be too high a level of strangerness, a word I coined in  my 1998 article about excessive mobility &lt;a href="http://www.energyark.net/urbna.htm"&gt;urbna.htm&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Instead, the way forward has to be &lt;u&gt;relocation&lt;/u&gt;:  to select locations reasonably remote from existing oversized (and somewhat doomed) population agglomerations, and to set up coherent communities of positive people within those remote localities.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Such relocation projects will be fairly impossible to succeed in, but the alternative re-localisation  projects of the TTers would be infinitely more impossible. For evidence of this you only have to consider the case of Rob Hopkins's flagship Totnes TT. This should have so many advantages over other TT projects:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;a relatively small settlement of only 8000;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;one selected by the founder rather than just happening to be there;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;relatively rich and leisured and educated population, with time and resources to spare unlike so many elsewhere;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;warmest easiest climate in the uk;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;good agricultural countryside location.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;And yet on checking out the first ten links from a google search of totnes it is clear that Totnes has been hardly touched by the transition concept and has a huge way to go if it is ever to have enough resilience.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This has been only a brief initial selection of problems with the TT concept, to which I could certainly add more if I had a bit more time and energy.  Perhaps at some future date.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;   There are already some &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;relocation&lt;/span&gt; projects in (possible) progress.  For instance there's one relocation destination in Portugal and another in a nice part of Mexico.  I'd be surprised if there aren't more, not being publicised.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/519424503777525095-5572070600104929454?l=energyark.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/feeds/5572070600104929454/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/2009/07/some-problems-with-transition-towns.html#comment-form' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/519424503777525095/posts/default/5572070600104929454'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/519424503777525095/posts/default/5572070600104929454'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/2009/07/some-problems-with-transition-towns.html' title='Some problems with the Transition Towns approach'/><author><name>Robin P Clarke</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-519424503777525095.post-6012583994650638062</id><published>2009-07-04T21:13:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2009-07-05T23:24:24.933+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='energy descent'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='transition'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='collapse'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='peak oil'/><title type='text'>Will there be an abrupt collapse?</title><content type='html'>&lt;!--[if gte mso 9]&gt;&lt;xml&gt; 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 mso-level-tab-stop:18.0pt;  mso-level-number-position:left;  margin-left:18.0pt;  text-indent:-18.0pt;} ol  {margin-bottom:0cm;} ul  {margin-bottom:0cm;} --&gt; &lt;/style&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="MsoCommentReference"&gt;&lt;span  lang="EN-US" style="font-size:8;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportAnnotations]--&gt;&lt;a class="msocomanchor" id="_anchor_1" onmouseover="msoCommentShow('_anchor_1','_com_1')" onmouseout="msoCommentHide('_com_1')" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=8735245986287932343&amp;amp;postID=1900425803717191136#_msocom_1" language="JavaScript" name="_msoanchor_1"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style="display: none;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;(and if so then why, when, and how?)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Robin P Clarke&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.energyark.net/collapse.pdf"&gt;A printable pdf of the following is available at http://www.energyark.net/collapse.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;                &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;          &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 14.2pt;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 14.2pt;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Among those who recognise a peaking of oil supply at about the present, there are some who confidently assume that there will be some abrupt cessation of the industrial/economic system on which we depend—an abrupt collapse.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And there are others who confidently assume there will not be such a collapse, but instead a relatively gradual decline (which is what some others have in mind when they use the collapse word).&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 14.2pt;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;And yet there has been little or no systematic analysis or argument presented to justify these assumptions.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 14.2pt;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;A most useful conclusion would be if we could state with confidence that major collapse would have negligible probability within the next few years.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is because such a conclusion would enable us to make relatively coherent life-plans over the coming years.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;A rational person will see that the only way such a conclusion should be reached with maximal confidence is via seeking as diligently as possible to undermine it.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And for that reason, my modus operandi in the following will be mainly to try to undermine my (already low) confidence in that convenient wished-for conclusion, by confronting it with all the plausible collapse horror-theories I can muster; and to operate a sort of precautionary principle, whereby any particular collapse-theory retains its credibility unless the case against it is significantly clear.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 14.2pt;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 14.2pt;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;For the purposes of this article the following things will be assumed as being true [1] (notwithstanding that they may be disputed by some readers and writers).&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;1.&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:7;"  &gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Oil supply ceased its longstanding growth in about 2005 and is now starting a relentless decline of several percent per year.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;2.&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:7;"  &gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;There are no alternative fuels for transportation which are sufficiently scaleable to offset this decline within the next few years (for either technical or social/political/economic reasons).&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;3.&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:7;"  &gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Over the next 1-5 years there will be a decline of oil and other energy supply of several percent due to shortsighted under-investment, creating an energy crunch and an oil crunch.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;4.&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:7;"  &gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;The design of the global financial/economic/corporate system of the past century is such that its functioning depends on continuing growth of key resources, especially cheap easily-produced oil.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And cannot continue for long once that growth ceases.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Others have assumed that the essence of collapse is reduction of complexity.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But when a building collapses due to earthquake or explosion, the complexity is increased rather than decreased.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This is proven by the fact that the adequate description of a collapsed building needs far more words (or a larger jpeg image) than that for the uncollapsed building, unless one resorts to the false simplification that it is “just a disordered pile of debris”.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Likewise an anarchic society in which everyone functions as a unique individual is more complex than the same people organised into relatively few standard roles in a bureaucratic society.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Rather the essence of collapse is full or partial dissolution of some organised arrangement, and especially some functional arrangement.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Ccomplexity reduces resilience against collapse only if it is (in approximate electrical analogy) ‘in series’ rather than ‘in parallel’: if I have two independent internet connections, that increases resilience; if in order to get to a meeting on time I need to travel by car followed by plane followed by boat, that compounds the probability of failure, reducing resilience.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Given a relentless decline of energy available for long-distance travel and communication, then some sort of reduction of global systems/organisations followed by national ones is inevitable sooner or later.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But the question I am trying to address here is not whether there will be some sort of cessation of some or all of these eventually, but rather whether there is likely/certain to be some &lt;i&gt;abrupt&lt;/i&gt; collapse within the next few years.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;h3&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Civilisations &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h3&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Firstly we need to clarify quite what (one or more things) it is that could be going to collapse.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;“Civilisation” is a rather nebulous term.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Arnold Toynbee in &lt;i&gt;A Study of History&lt;/i&gt; [2] identified it as a form of society involving the organisation of many thousands of people in contrast to the much smaller primitive societies such as nomadic or hunter-gatherers.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Those who have not studied his work invariably mistake empires as being civilisations.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Toynbee explains that such “universal states” are merely symptoms of civilisations which have already entered breakdown.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;For instance the Roman Empire was the tail-end of the Hellenic civilisation.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That Hellenic civilisation was surely already in a very bad way four centuries before Christ, when the Athenians sentenced Socrates to death merely for asking reasonable questions, and launched a ridiculous grand invasion (the Sicilian Expedition) which ended in loss of the entire Athenian army and navy, and thence its democracy system.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:12;"  &gt;&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Toynbee concluded that the cause of breakdowns was an internal failure, due to a proliferation of “mechanical mimesis”, mindless copying rather than independent judgement.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I myself wrote an article in 1987 (&lt;a href="http://www.energyark.net/decadenc.htm"&gt;www.energyark.net/decadenc.htm&lt;/a&gt;) [3], analysing this more systematically in terms of natural selection.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I concluded that judicious genius mentality is a requirement for originating a viable civilisation; but it eventually solves all the key practical problems thereby making itself redundant; and so it becomes displaced by authoritarian&lt;span style="color:silver;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;mentality (of which “mechanical mimesis” is a major part).&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;(I later updated and elaborated on that article within my book &lt;a href="http://www.lulu.com/content/140930"&gt;www.lulu.com/content/140930&lt;/a&gt;. [4])&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;I think it is important to note that we see in the here and now the various characteristics which Toynbee ascribed to a decadent civilisation, in which the founding creative minority (which commands respect with its charm) has been displaced by an incompetent dominant minority (which enforces its control by force and trickery so long as it can).&lt;span style=""&gt; ( &lt;/span&gt;I hardly need to point out to readers of theoildrum.com &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;that there is no shortage of very competent people who are completely sidelined by governments which astound us only with their persistent incompetence.)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;A vitally important lesson of history is that such decadent dominant minorities are &lt;u&gt;almost entirely useless&lt;/u&gt; at doing anything useful; the only talent they have is in short-term preservation of their own status (and they’re not even much good at that). &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2"&gt;All the previous twenty-plus civilisations have broken down and collapsed or aborted, and the present global one shows the signs of heading towards the same.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Anyway, back to the question of quite what could be going to collapse. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;A thousand years ago, the European civilisation was already flourishing as evidenced for instance by its inventions of church bells and written-down music.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And now a thousand years later that civilisation has passed through the scientific, commercial, agricultural, and industrial revolutions, and encompassed nearly all of the human race to greater or lesser extent.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There are key&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="MsoCommentReference"&gt;&lt;span  lang="EN-US" style="font-size:8;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportAnnotations]--&gt;&lt;a class="msocomanchor" id="_anchor_2" onmouseover="msoCommentShow('_anchor_2','_com_2')" onmouseout="msoCommentHide('_com_2')" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=8735245986287932343&amp;amp;postID=1900425803717191136#_msocom_2" language="JavaScript" name="_msoanchor_2"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style="display: none;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; features of our present organisation that were invisible a thousand years ago:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Symbol;"&gt;·&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:7;"  &gt;        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;The concepts of money and profit have become essential to everyday life.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Symbol;"&gt;·&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:7;"  &gt;        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;There is an elaborate industrial infrastructure dependent on fossil-fuels; and of which few if any people have more than partial understanding.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Symbol;"&gt;·&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:7;"  &gt;        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;There is a whole system of corporations and international agencies and educational/brainwashing institutions and banks and crooked legal systems which were almost or entirely absent in Medieval times.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2"&gt;Many people would dearly love to see the collapse of these latter systems, which they may see as an imposition displacing somewhat more civilised arrangements.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Toynbee reasonably labelled our civilisation as “Western Christendom”.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I suggest it might be useful for us to refer to the “Original Western” civilisation becoming transformed as above into the “Advanced Western” civilisation (even though many of us are highly critical of some of the “advances” involved).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2" style="text-indent: 0cm;"&gt;I suggest the following as some key systems with potential for collapse.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Symbol;"&gt;·&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:7;"  &gt;        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Money (currencies).&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Symbol;"&gt;·&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:7;"  &gt;        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Credit (borrowing and lending).&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Symbol;"&gt;·&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:7;"  &gt;        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Commodity markets (especially energy and food).&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Symbol;"&gt;·&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:7;"  &gt;        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Retailing.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Symbol;"&gt;·&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:7;"  &gt;        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Electricity supply.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Symbol;"&gt;·&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:7;"  &gt;        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Energy supply (other).&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Symbol;"&gt;·&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:7;"  &gt;        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Transport.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Symbol;"&gt;·&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:7;"  &gt;        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Communications.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Symbol;"&gt;·&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:7;"  &gt;        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Food supply and water supply.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Symbol;"&gt;·&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:7;"  &gt;        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Government operational systems.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Symbol;"&gt;·&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:7;"  &gt;        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Trust in government and in legal, social, and informal norms.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Symbol;"&gt;·&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:7;"  &gt;        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Trust in, and cooperation with, other persons of varying familiarity.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2" style="text-indent: 0cm;"&gt;I suggest the following as potential candidates for causation of abrupt collapses.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Symbol;"&gt;·&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:7;"  &gt;        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Hyperinflation&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Symbol;"&gt;·&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:7;"  &gt;        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Crossing of balance-sheet thresholds; under-recognised key roles&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Symbol;"&gt;·&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:7;"  &gt;        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Market failures (short-termism and panic-paralysis)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Symbol;"&gt;·&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:7;"  &gt;        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;“Unexpected” events in a context of corner-cutting&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Symbol;"&gt;·&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:7;"  &gt;        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Loss of confidence in various assumptions.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;h3&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Inability to organise downsizing?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h3&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2"&gt;This would be an aggravating factor rather than a mechanism of catastrophe in itself.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2"&gt;Biology thrives on growth.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Organisms have been natural selected for growing and proliferating.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And meanwhile, those organisations which are best at growing, persistently eliminate those that are less growth-orientated, for instance hypermarkets drive corner shops out of business.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Success (“=”growth) attracts more talent and more success.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2" style=""&gt;But we now come to a new world in which almost everything has to shrink instead.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Talented, creative, people retreat from shrinking organisations and fields.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Geniuses rarely aspire to make Strad violins anymore.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Highway engineering departments get no green-minded visionaries.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Shrinking is rarely conducted willingly or competently.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;A case in point is the car industry which is not exactly shouting out that “We have now made enough cars and we have triumphantly succeeded in our task!”.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Instead they demand assistance in carrying on to the bitter blinkered end. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Thus the shrinkage can be expected to result in a great multiplicity of conflicts, of psychological and social friction and rigidity punctuated by shocks.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;A social equivalent of the slip-stick mechanism that produces the sudden jolts of earthquakes.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;In these conditions it can be expected that political leadership will become a thankless, unattractive, profession.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And it will be difficult for leaders to focus rationally on how to address the key problems raised below when they have also to cope with a constantly-full agenda of angry&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="MsoCommentReference"&gt;&lt;span  lang="EN-US" style="font-size:8;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportAnnotations]--&gt;&lt;a class="msocomanchor" id="_anchor_3" onmouseover="msoCommentShow('_anchor_3','_com_3')" onmouseout="msoCommentHide('_com_3')" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=8735245986287932343&amp;amp;postID=1900425803717191136#_msocom_3" language="JavaScript" name="_msoanchor_3"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="display: none;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; disputes.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;I will briefly add in here the additional concept that there &lt;i&gt;IS going to be&lt;/i&gt; an involuntary downsizing of populations worldwide and in most nations during the next two or three decades.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;(I appreciate that some are convinced that “if only” we were to “Make Poverty History” then the world “could” easily feed even more than at present, optionally trashing the biosphere even more intensely in the process; but I find that notion entirely unrealistic.) &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Such a prospect of reducing populations is one which policymakers are incapable of embracing.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It follows that they are incapable of formulating any policy which is actually compatible with the real world.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;We can now draw some the above points together as follows.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Governments of scientifically-illiterate congenital incompetents will take charge of tackling the following daunting problems in the difficult context of constant shrinkage disputes and while being incapable of admitting or planning for the reality of population overshoot anyway.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is the unpromising context in which the continuation here has to be put.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;h3&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Hyperinflation?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h3&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Chris Martenson has pointed out that over a thousand currencies have ended up destroyed by excessive inflation.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Governments find it difficult to resist the temptation to print money even in absence of increasing real products to give value to it.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;So the question arises as to whether we might see something like that of the Weimar republic or Zimbabwe.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But it has been credibly argued that what devastated those two economies was not the printing of money per se, but the hostile actions of other nations, forcing the printing of unbacked money to pay off international pressures.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And this would not apply on a global scale.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;On the other hand, we are seeing &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="MsoCommentReference"&gt;&lt;span  lang="EN-US" style="font-size:8;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportAnnotations]--&gt;&lt;a class="msocomanchor" id="_anchor_4" onmouseover="msoCommentShow('_anchor_4','_com_4')" onmouseout="msoCommentHide('_com_4')" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=8735245986287932343&amp;amp;postID=1900425803717191136#_msocom_4" language="JavaScript" name="_msoanchor_4"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style="display: none;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;governments printing huge amounts of money at a time when assets and production are if anything decreasing instead.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Perhaps the enemy now is not foreign agencies but the undefeatable Nature that does not do bailouts.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;So perhaps the jury remains out as to whether deflationary pressures will indefinitely prevent hyperinflationary panics. (Hoarding of cash and defaulting on debts have a deflationary effect akin to “de-printing” of money.)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;It might be argued that history shows that hyperinflation would not destroy a society anyway.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But (while not understating the great hardships of the Weimar experience) one may reasonably wonder what fate would have eventually come upon Germany if it had not been “rescued” (from hyperinflation at least) by the Nazi’s monetary policy of “One Mark for one Mark’s work”.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;More crucially, our societies are now far more commercialised and far more dependent on the commercialised systems and corner-cutting therein.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;While it is not something I can readily demonstrate, I personally reckon that hyperinflation would rapidly lead to the total collapse of the globalised-corporatised capitalist system on which we depend for most of our life-support requirements.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This would be a die-off scenario.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But then it depends on whether hyperinflation occurs anyway.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Could it perhaps result from a sort of money-printing “arms-race” between nations?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;(My dental-amalgam-drugged brain isn’t up to answering that at present.)&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Perhaps&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="MsoCommentReference"&gt;&lt;span  lang="EN-US" style="font-size:8;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportAnnotations]--&gt;&lt;a class="msocomanchor" id="_anchor_5" onmouseover="msoCommentShow('_anchor_5','_com_5')" onmouseout="msoCommentHide('_com_5')" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=8735245986287932343&amp;amp;postID=1900425803717191136#_msocom_5" language="JavaScript" name="_msoanchor_5"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="display: none;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 51, 0);" lang="EN-US"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;the strongest argument against hyperinflation causing early collapse is that the deleveraging/defaulting process must first run its course, which will either take some years, or if it somehow happens faster could then make an abrupt collapse anyway.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;h3&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Critical Thresholds?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h3&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2"&gt;Many future-predictors proceed by projecting existing trends onward into the future.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;A higher level of sophistication involves anticipating when trends are going to be disrupted by discontinuities.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;I suggest that a major class of discontinuities is that indicated in Charles Dickens’ famous words: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;"Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen pounds, nineteen shillings and sixpence, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds and sixpence, result misery."&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;Some people argue that there is so much luxury and wasteful consumption in developed countries that there is nothing to worry about because we can simply cut out that waste and indulgence.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The problem they overlook is that one man’s luxury spending is another man’s life-supporting earnings.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2" style=""&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-US"&gt;There is on the web a lecture by Elizabeth Warren titled “The coming collapse of the middle classes” in which she shows that many middle-class households in the US are already struggling to balance their books, even though nowadays both parents are employed.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Already many are failing and being forced into traumatic bankruptcy.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;As costs of necessities rise relative to available income, then an increasing proportion of households, of professions, and of organisations, are going to find that their income is no longer sufficient to meet those costs.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;The households will then become dysfunctional, with homelessness, hunger or other problems, and ultimately death if not aided by charity or social security payments.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The members of these households will then be unable to properly undertake their roles in employment and education. The professions, businesses, and other organisations will become unviable, making their workers unemployed and their clients unprovided with services.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;There will then be secondary consequences of decreased efficiencies and increasing crime and distrust.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Burdens on government services will increase at a time when their funding is being cut.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In their own defence, governments will increase taxes on small businesses to the extent that they drive them out of business and thereby create deadly enemies for themselves (besides losing the tax income too).&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2"&gt;At first it will be only relatively optional services such as those of cosmeticians or artists which fall off the edge.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But as the relative costs continue to rise, an increasing range of occupations and professions will cease.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Two further discontinuity effects can then be expected.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyTextIndent2"&gt;Firstly, there are likely to be some key critical services which are underappreciated by others until they have already collapsed, and consequently are not defended against such collapse.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Possible candidates for this fate could be sewer maintenance workers, safety consultants, or oil production operatives and consultants. And once these services have collapsed, they bring down all the rest that depends on them.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And thereby at least a partial collapse scenario.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It does not depend on these key people dying or being sacked from their jobs; merely the fact that their lives no longer add up financially is enough to render them unable to fulfill their employment roles properly.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;It might be tempting to think that priority would be given to such key workers.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But I suggest that the&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="MsoCommentReference"&gt;&lt;span style="display: none;font-size:8;" &gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="MsoCommentReference"&gt;&lt;span  lang="EN-US" style="font-size:8;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportAnnotations]--&gt;&lt;a class="msocomanchor" id="_anchor_6" onmouseover="msoCommentShow('_anchor_6','_com_6')" onmouseout="msoCommentHide('_com_6')" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=8735245986287932343&amp;amp;postID=1900425803717191136#_msocom_6" language="JavaScript" name="_msoanchor_6"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style="display: none;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 51, 0);" lang="EN-US"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;usual shortsightedness would apply, so&lt;span style="color: rgb(153, 51, 0);"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;all too often resources would be commandeered by those with most political muscle (politicians, judges, military, wealthy&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="MsoCommentReference"&gt;&lt;span  lang="EN-US" style="font-size:8;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportAnnotations]--&gt;&lt;a class="msocomanchor" id="_anchor_7" onmouseover="msoCommentShow('_anchor_7','_com_7')" onmouseout="msoCommentHide('_com_7')" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=8735245986287932343&amp;amp;postID=1900425803717191136#_msocom_7" language="JavaScript" name="_msoanchor_7"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="display: none;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;) rather than those modest and despised people most crucial to system functioning.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Secondly, as&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;increasing numbers of persons find their balance-sheets are no longer balanceable, there comes a point at which there accrues a critical mass of such failed persons.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The discrepancy between the costs to the government and the tax income becomes intolerable.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The concept of government as a provider of solutions becomes outbalanced by a concept of government as parasitic cause of the problems.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;And the ranks of the disaffected threaten to become more powerful than the authorities they are disaffected by.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Not least because so many of them are skilled organisers (but relatively dispensible professions) such as lawyers, managers and teachers.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;At this point, one can envisage a revolution such as those of France and Russia.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But in this case there will be the complication that the problem cannot be solved merely by a change of regime.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That being because it is Nature (physics, biology, geology, chemistry) which is the cause of the hardship, and Nature will not do bailouts however many revolutionary activists may be demanding them.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;It is&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;not clear how a government can continue to provide any useful social functions for much longer once such a situation develops.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;So it seems that this could thus cause a collapse of government authority, and therefrom a collapse of the legal and commercial systems, and the entire globalised-corporatised-industrialised-oilised system would promptly fail, at least in one country at a time.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This would then produce failures of the transport systems, energy distribution systems, and food distribution systems, radically adversifying daily life.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Whereupon anarchy would take over (the real horrible anarchy (Baghdad 2004 or worse) rather than the fantasy utopia of the “anarchy” theorists).&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;h3&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Credit collapse?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h3&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;The failing growth-based &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="MsoCommentReference"&gt;&lt;span  lang="EN-US" style="font-size:8;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportAnnotations]--&gt;&lt;span style="display: none;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;system is heavily dependent on giving credit to enable the funding of needed projects.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The credit has been available to be loaned only because there was a reasonable expectation that the future would be larger than the present.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But now the world’s oil supply has ceased its long-term growth, and population growth has also slowed particularly in the wealthy countries.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;There has already been a conspicuous credit crisis, and yet the grand global economic system is continuing to function anyway, it seems.&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;This may be entirely due to the widely-promoted myth that this is just another business cycle recession, just a burst housing bubble that will correct in the next year or three.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;It is to be expected that some people will still be believing that myth in three or four years time (assuming there has not already been a collapse by then).&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;But as the “recession” drags on with every “recovery” failing and no real recovery in sight, and with increasing awareness of the energy descent concept within investing circles, a point can be envisaged where credit-granting confidence collapses with sufficient depth and duration that the entire system is indeed unable to continue functioning—a collapse scenario of the most radical kind.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:13;"  &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;  &lt;h3 style=""&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Market failures?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h3&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;There has already occurred some spectacular market malfunctioning in the energy sector.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is the currently low energy prices failing to take account of the future reduced availability and the need for more investment now to compensate for it.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;That is a manifestation of the more general rule of human psychology, that people tend to seek cures rather than preventions.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;So long as a crisis has not yet started, most people are complacent; they fail to keep prudent stocks of fuel, food, water, etc.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Then when the crisis comes they have no option besides panic-buying and hoarding what little they have left.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Matt Simmons in 2008 presented a particularly credible version of this concept.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The US government has its Strategic Petroleum Reserve, but it is a reserve of unrefined crude rather than of finished fuel products.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Simmons proposed that in the event of a shortage, it would result in everyone topping up their tanks and hoarding it, which would result in no supplies of diesel being available for transport of food.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And thus within five days the nation’s local food-stores would be empty.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This looks like a potential total collapse scenario.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;With a whole nation subjected to lack of food and lack of transportation how much longer could the systems of government and commerce continue to function?&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;And could there be a recovery from such a crisis?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;How sound are these words of Simmons? (in his Platts conference slide #28):&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;“This&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class="MsoCommentReference"&gt;&lt;span  lang="EN-US" style="font-size:8;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportAnnotations]--&gt;&lt;a class="msocomanchor" id="_anchor_9" onmouseover="msoCommentShow('_anchor_9','_com_9')" onmouseout="msoCommentHide('_com_9')" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=8735245986287932343&amp;amp;postID=1900425803717191136#_msocom_9" language="JavaScript" name="_msoanchor_9"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style="display: none;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; is a “lights out” occurrence. One energy shortage soon trips another. The energy system could shut down in too many places. Without energy: Everything, including food system runs dry. The world has no early warning system for the chaos: There are no fuel gauges; there are no fuse boxes; we have no in-place rationing systems; we have no “firewalls”; we have no contingency plans.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Similar questions arise about reserves of food.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;One source reckons that &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;“we&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class="MsoCommentReference"&gt;&lt;span  lang="EN-US" style="font-size:8;"&gt;&lt;a class="msocomanchor" id="_anchor_10" onmouseover="msoCommentShow('_anchor_10','_com_10')" onmouseout="msoCommentHide('_com_10')" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=8735245986287932343&amp;amp;postID=1900425803717191136#_msocom_10" language="JavaScript" name="_msoanchor_10"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style="display: none;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt; now face one of the tightest margins in recent history between food reserves and global demand, with global reserves estimated to be at their lowest level in 25 years.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.stwr.org/food-security-agriculture/the-importance-of-food-reserves-in-a-hungry-world.html"&gt;http://www.stwr.org/food-security-agriculture/the-importance-of-food-reserves-in-a-hungry-world.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;(28 May 2009)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;Governments are trying to address this problem, but there appears to be more of a would-be work-in-progress than a solution nearly imminent: &lt;i&gt;“Global food reserve idea faces huge obstacles.”&lt;/i&gt; (7 June 2009)&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://news.uk.msn.com/world/article.aspx?cp-documentid=147829146"&gt;http://news.uk.msn.com/world/article.aspx?cp-documentid=147829146&lt;/a&gt; .&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 1cm;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;And then we must put this in the context of the vulnerability of globalised monocultures to such contemporary pestilences as wheat rust fungus and potato blight.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Plus the erratic extreme weather events that are accompanying the start of climate catastrophe.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:13;"   lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;  &lt;h3&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;Non-conclusion&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h3&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 14.2pt;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;I will leave off till further down this page my own reckonings of probabilities of whether, when and how there will or will not be a collapse.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 14.2pt;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Instead I shall first invite commenters to suggest what flaws there may be in the collapse-cause theories I have presented.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Or what considerations make them all the more sound.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt;Or how they would modify the theories, or evidence thereof. Or what other theories they may prefer. &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;h3&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;Notes&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h3&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;1. The defectiveness of the growth-based system is best presented in Chris Martenson’s Crash Course; also some posts by Gail the Actuary on theoildrum.com.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The other three assumptions have seen extensive discussion on theoildrum.com.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;2. Arnold Toynbee, &lt;i&gt;A&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="MsoCommentReference"&gt;&lt;span  lang="EN-US" style="font-size:8;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportAnnotations]--&gt;&lt;a class="msocomanchor" id="_anchor_11" onmouseover="msoCommentShow('_anchor_11','_com_11')" onmouseout="msoCommentHide('_com_11')" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=8735245986287932343&amp;amp;postID=1900425803717191136#_msocom_11" language="JavaScript" name="_msoanchor_11"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style="display: none;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; Study of History,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; is ten very heavy volumes (there is a set at Birmingham University uk); even the 2-volume abridgement is not particularly short.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I suggest to at least study the first chapter and the “Argument” and tables presented at the end of the each volume.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;3. My 1987 decadence article &lt;a href="http://www.energyark.net/decadenc.htm"&gt;www.energyark.net/decadenc.htm&lt;/a&gt; was published to my filing-cabinet because (in pre-internet days) I could not imagine how to find any audience that would be interested let alone a publisher that would be receptive to such an anti-authority analysis.&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;Note that even Prof. Toynbee’s work itself remains rejected by professional historians, in line with this &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="MsoCommentReference"&gt;&lt;span  lang="EN-US" style="font-size:8;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportAnnotations]--&gt;&lt;a class="msocomanchor" id="_anchor_12" onmouseover="msoCommentShow('_anchor_12','_com_12')" onmouseout="msoCommentHide('_com_12')" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=8735245986287932343&amp;amp;postID=1900425803717191136#_msocom_12" language="JavaScript" name="_msoanchor_12"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="display: none;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;historical evidence: &lt;a href="http://www.energyark.net/gen.htm"&gt;www.energyark.net/gen.htm&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;4. My 2005 book &lt;i&gt;The Future is Here!&lt;/i&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.lulu.com/content/140930"&gt;www.lulu.com/content/140930&lt;/a&gt; was put on lulu.com not for publication but to print copies as the practical handbook of the RDP project.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But no sooner had I got some copies than I became submerged by the harassment conspiracy crisis documented at &lt;a href="http://www.2020housing.co.uk/"&gt;www.2020housing.co.uk&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And the RDP project has since been overtaken by oil-supply events such that it now seems likely that the system is going to collapse anyway without needing that project to push it over.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 14.2pt;"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-size:8;color:silver;"  &gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;div style=""&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportAnnotations]--&gt;  &lt;hr class="msocomoff" align="left"  width="33%" style="font-size:78%;"&gt;  &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;  &lt;div style=""&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportAnnotations]--&gt;  &lt;div id="_com_1" class="msocomtxt" language="JavaScript" onmouseover="msoCommentShow('_anchor_1','_com_1')" onmouseout="msoCommentHide('_com_1')"&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportAnnotations]--&gt;&lt;a name="_msocom_1"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoCommentText"&gt;&lt;!--[if supportFields]&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;span style="'mso-element:field-begin'"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;PAGE \# &amp;quot;'Page: '#'&lt;br /&gt;'&amp;quot;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="MsoCommentReference"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"  style="';font-size:8.0pt';"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;![endif]--&gt;&lt;!--[if supportFields]&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;span style="'mso-element:field-end'"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;![endif]--&gt;&lt;span class="MsoCommentReference"&gt;&lt;span  lang="EN-US" style="font-size:8;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;!--[if !supportAnnotations]--&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/519424503777525095-6012583994650638062?l=energyark.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/feeds/6012583994650638062/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/2009/07/will-there-be-abrupt-collapse.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/519424503777525095/posts/default/6012583994650638062'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/519424503777525095/posts/default/6012583994650638062'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/2009/07/will-there-be-abrupt-collapse.html' title='Will there be an abrupt collapse?'/><author><name>Robin P Clarke</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-519424503777525095.post-1633827016257927884</id><published>2009-06-25T09:29:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2010-01-20T15:05:09.434Z</updated><title type='text'>Did Dmitri Orlov get this training from the KGB?</title><content type='html'>There's quite a lot of sense in the book published by Dmitri Orlov.  I might even speak more positively of it were it not for the following.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I noted a recent article on his blog which I thought to be of particularly low quality:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2009/08/hunger-insurance.html"&gt;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2009/08/hunger-insurance.html&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;All the more pathetic that it was followed by numerous uniformly enthusiastic comments of rather mindless flattery such as (each in entirety):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0);"&gt;"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0);" href="http://www.blogger.com/profile/13187155662479197694" rel="nofollow"&gt;EW&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0);"&gt; said...  Hi, great post. Someone posted a link to your blog on my site as I've just posted about this too. Not as funny though! Pleased to have discovered your blog."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;and:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0);"&gt;"Anonymous said... An instant classic."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I attempted to post my own thoughts as follows:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0);"&gt;"    It's not very clear what point you are making here in so many words. Something relatively specific to the narrow cultural zone between the Atlantic and Pacific perhaps. (The reference to HMOs suggests so.)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0);"&gt;    If you are trying to use an analogy to make a point about private v public health provision, well:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0);"&gt;    Firstly--Analogies are pretty second-rate as devices for reasoned argument; the analogy may or may not be soundly made. Analogies are best confined to use as tools of illustration rather than reasoning.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0);"&gt;    Secondly--If we are being proposed a conclusion that private health provision is much worse than public provision, then I have something to tell you called facts.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0);"&gt;    I live in the UK where we have the NHS. It is passably good at putting bones back together after an incident (though not superbly so as attested by my crooked jaw and dentition, and my mother's continuing crippledom following a hip failure).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0);"&gt;    Apart from the bone-repair capability it is an absolute disaster of profitmaking, bureaucracy-building pseudoscience pseudo-healthcare dominated by big pharma and associated corporate evils related to major operations conveniently resulting from the equally crap food supply we have here.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0);"&gt;    ALL my healthcare I have to pay for myself, because the NHS will only provide corporate pseudo-healthcare.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0);"&gt;    Worse than that, the NHS has ruined&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0);"&gt; my life with 40 years of dental mercury poisoning, in response to which I only get lies and even nasty libels.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0);"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0);"&gt;    Judging from your collapse book you can do better than this drivel article. I suggest you be wary that celebrity (and mindless fan-clubbery) may cause self-criticalness to be undermined by complacency.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0);"&gt;    Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:13:27 PM EDT"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's now three days later and that comment has not yet been approved by the "moderator" of his blog.&lt;br /&gt;PS: This energyark blog will not abuse the efforts of commenters here with any such "moderation".&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/519424503777525095-1633827016257927884?l=energyark.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/feeds/1633827016257927884/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/2009/09/did-dmitri-orlov-get-this-training-from.html#comment-form' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/519424503777525095/posts/default/1633827016257927884'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/519424503777525095/posts/default/1633827016257927884'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://energyark.blogspot.com/2009/09/did-dmitri-orlov-get-this-training-from.html' title='Did Dmitri Orlov get this training from the KGB?'/><author><name>Robin P Clarke</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry></feed>
